Indiana County, including all mines served on the Saltsburg branch of the Pennsylvania Railroad north of Conemaugh River. Fayette County, except all mines on and east of the line of Indian Creek Valley branch of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. Westmoreland County, including all mines except those served by the Pennsylvania Railroad from Torrance, east. NORTHERN WEST VIRGINIA DISTRICT 3. The following counties in West Virginia: Barbour, Braxton, Calhoun, Doddridge, Harrison, Jackson, Lewis, Marion, Monongalia, Pleasants, Preston, Randolph, Ritchie, Roane, Taylor, Tyler, Upshur, Webster, Wetzel, Wirt, Wood. That part of Nicholas County including mines served by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and north. OHIO DISTRICT 4. All coal-producing counties in Ohio. All coal-producing counties in the southern peninsula of Michigan. PANHANDLE DISTRICT 5. The following counties in West Virginia: Brooke, Hancock, Marshall, and Ohio. SOUTHERN NUMBERED 1 DISTRICT 6. The following counties in West Virginia: Greenbrier, Mercer, Monroe, Pocahontas, Summers. Fayette County, east of the Ansted branch of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad, east of White Oak Junction on the Virginian Railroad, east of Pax on the Virginian Railroad. McDowell County, that portion served by the Dry Fork branch of the Norfolk and Western Railroad and east thereof. Raleigh County, excluding all mines on the Coal River branch of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad. Wyoming County, that portion served by the Gilbert branch of the Virginian Railroad lying east of the mouth of Skin Fork of Guyandot River and that portion served by the main line and the Glen Rogers branch of the Virginian Railroad. The following counties in Virginia: Montgomery, Pulaski, Wythe, Giles, Craig. Tazewell County, that portion served by the Dry Fork branch to Cedar Bluff and from Bluestone Juncion to Boissevain branch of the Norfolk and Western Railroad. Buchanan County, that portion served by the Richland Jewell Ridge branch of the Norfolk and Western Railroad. SOUTHERN NUMBERED 2 DISTRICT 7. The following counties in West Virginia: Boone, Clay, Kanawha, Lincoln, Logan, Mason, Mingo, Putnam, Wayne, Čabell. Fayette County west of the Ansted branch of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad, west of White Oak Junction on the Virginian Railroad, west of Pax on the Virginian Railroad. McDowell County, that portion not served by and lying west of the Dry Fork branch of the Norfolk and Western Railroad. Raleigh County, all mines on the Coal River branch of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad and north thereof. Nicholas County, that part south of and not served by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. Wyoming County, that portion served by Gilbert branch of the Virginian Railroad lying west of the mouth of Skin Fork of Guyandot River. The following counties in Virginia: Dickinson, Lee, Russell, Scott, Wise. Buchanan County, except that portion served by the Richland Jewell Ridge branch of the Norfolk and Western Railroad. Tazewell County, except portions served by the Dry Fork branch of Norfolk and Western Railroad and branch from Bluestone Junction to Boissevain of Norfolk and Western Railroad. The following counties in Kentucky: Bell, Boyd, Breathitt, Carter, Clay, Elliott, Floyd, Greenup, Harlan, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Knox, Laurel, Law rence, Lee, Letcher, Leslie, McCreary, Magoffin, Martin, Morgan, Owsley, Perry, Pike, Rockcastle, Wayne, Whitley. The following counties in Tennessee: Anderson, Campbell, Claiborne, Cumberland, Fentress, Morgan, Overton, Roane, Scott. The following counties in North Carolina: Lee, Chatham, Moore. WEST KENTUCKY DISTRICT 8. The following counties in Kentucky: Butler, Christian, Crittenden, Daviess, Hancock, Henderson, Hopkins, Logan, McLean, Muhlenberg, Ohio, Simpson, Todd, Union, Warren, Webster. ILLINOIS DISTRICT 9. All coal-producing counties in Illinois. INDIANA DISTRICT 10. All coal-producing counties in Indiana. IOWA DISTRICT 11. All coal-producing counties in Iowa. SOUTHEASTERN District 12. All coal-producing counties in Alabama. The following counties in Georgia: Dale, Walker. The following counties in Tennessee: Marion, Grundy, Hamilton, Bledsoe, Sesquatchie, White, Van Buren, Warren, McMinn, Rhea. ARKANSAS-OKLAHOMA DISTRICT 13. The following counties in Arkansas: All counties in the State. The following counties in Oklahoma: Haskell, Le Flore, Sequoyah. SOUTHWESTERN DISTRICT 14. All coal-producing counties in Kansas. All coal-producing counties in Texas. All coal-producing counties in Missouri. The following counties in Oklahoma: Coal, Craig, Latimer, Muskogee, Okmulgee, Pittsburg, Rogers, Tulsa, Wagoner. NORTHERN COLORADO DISTRICT 15. The following counties in Colorado: Adams, Arapahoe, Boulder, Douglas, Elbert, El Paso, Jackson, Jefferson, Larimer, Weld. SOUTHERN COLORADO DISTRICT 16. The following counties in Colorado: All counties not included in northern Colorado district. The following counties in New Mexico: All coal-producing counties in the State of New Mexico, except those included in the New Mexico district. NEW MEXICO DISTRICT 17. The following counties in New Mexico: Grant, Lincoln, McKinley, Rio Arriba, Sandoval, San Juan, San Miguel, Santa Fe, Socorro. WYOMING DISTRICT 18. All coal-producing counties in Wyoming. UTAH DISTRICT 19. All coal-producing counties in Utah. NORTH DAKOTA-SOUTH DAKOTA District 20. All coal-producing counties in North Dakota. All coal-producing counties in South Dakota. MONTANA DISTRICT 21. All coal-producing counties in Montana. WASHINGTON DISTRICT 22. All coal-producing counties in Washington. Mr. HILL. I will state that in addition to the members of the subcommittee, any other members of the Ways and Means Committee are invited to sit and participate in these hearings. There are a few members of the Ways and Means Committee who are not members of this subcommittee, who are especially interested in this legislation; Mr. Lewis of Maryland, Mr. Jenkins of Ohio, Mr. Boehne of Indiana, Mr. Thompson of Illinois, and others. The chairman of the committee, of course, is a member of this subcommittee, and his presence is always desired and welcomed. Mr. DOUGHTON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am always glad to sit with any of the subcommittees of this committee. I am especially interested in this legislation and shall endeavor to be present as much of the time as possible. Mr. HILL. The first witness on the calendar this morning is the Honorable J. Buell Snyder, a Representative in Congress from the State of Pennsylvania. statement of HON. J. BUELL SNYDER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA Mr. COOPER. Mr. Chairman, a point of inquiry for the purpose of getting some information. Mr. Snyder is the author of this bill now before us. I would like to inquire of Mr. Snyder what his purpose is at this time; do you propose to make a general statement on the subject matter covered by this bill, or do you propose to enter into an explanation of the bill itself? Mr. SNYDER. Mr. Chairman, my purpose, as my first sentence of my general statement will inform you, is merely to make a general statement on the bill as a whole, the intent and purpose of this particular piece of legislation. Mr. COOPER. As the author of the bill, it is your purpose to present somebody who will give us a detailed explanation of the bill itself? Mr. SNYDER. It is. Mr. DOUGHTON. At this point, Mr. Chairman, I would like to state that Mr. Snyder has been very diligent in his interest in this legislation. Mr. Snyder has been to see me a number of times urging that members of this subcommittee give consideration to the bill. I do not see how the gentleman could have been more diligent or exhibited a deeper interest in this legislation. I feel I should say that in justice to Mr. Snyder at this time. Mr. COOPER. If the Chairman will permit, I think the gentleman has seen all of us. I know he has seen me a number of times. Mr. WOODRUFF. Mr. Chairman, before Mr. Snyder proceeds, may I say that Mr. Jenkins, a member of the Ways and Means Committee from Ohio, though not a member of this subcommittee, is very much interested in this legislation. Were it not for the fact that he is out of town, he would be here today and he intends to sit with the subcommittee during the balance of these hearings. Mr. HILL. You may proceed, Mr. Snyder. Mr. SNYDER. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, this bill, S. 2481 and H. R. 8479, introduced in the Senate by Senator Guffey and in the House by myself Mr. HILL. If I may interrupt one moment. Is Senator Guffey's bill identical with yours? Mr. SNYDER. Oh, no; not at all. The bill has as its objective the regulation of the bituminous coalmining industry. As the members of the committee know, extensive hearings on this measure were conducted by the Senate Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee some weeks ago, and that committee reported the bill out favorably and it is now on the Senate calendar. The decision of the Supreme Court with reference to the N. R. A. made it necessary to have minor changes made so as to clarify the bill with reference to its constitutionality; as well as other minor adjustments. The bill that you now have in your hands is a product of months and years of study by those who are interested in stabilizing the bituminous coal industry. Mr. TREADWAY. Mr. Chairman, allow me to interrupt. You say that the bill we have before us is thus and so. Now, when you refer to the bill, are you talking about H. R. 8479, or are you also referring to S. 2481? Mr. SNYDER. I am speaking about H. R. 8479 here only, which incorporates much of what is in S. 2481. Mr. TREADWAY. One other point. You say there have been extensive hearings on this bill. When you say "this bill", to what bill are you referring? Mr. SNYDER. I refer to the Senate bill. Mr. TREADWAY. Is that S. 2481? Mr. SNYDER. Yes. Mr. TREADWAY. Will you tell us what happened? The bill I have before me is dated May 13, calendar date June 4. Mr. SNYDER. If I may make a statement right there Mr. VINSON. What is that the gentleman from Massachusetts has before him? Mr. TREADWAY. This is S. 2481, and was introduced on calendar day June 4; ordered to lie on the table and to be printed; amendment in the nature of a substitute intended to be proposed by Mr. Neely, and Mr. Guffey, to the bill S. 2481. It seems to me there is tremendous confusion here, because you have referred to extensive hearings. We have had no hearings on any bill having to do with the coal industry. What were those hearings on? You say they were before the Interstate Commerce Committee. Mr. SNYDER. May I make this statement right there, Mr. Treadway? Mr. TREADWAY. Yes. I am only asking for information. Mr. SNYDER. I do not know if there is anybody here in the audience who can say just how long the Senate hearings were on this matter. Mr. VINSON. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. TREADWAY. Yes. Mr. VINSON. If I recall correctly, Senator Guffey, of Pennsylvania, introduced a bill early in the session. Mr. SNYDER. May I make this statement? Senator Guffey and I introduced the same bill on the 24th day of January. Mr. VINSON. That was the original Guffey-Snyder bill? Mr. SNYDER. Right. Mr. VINSON. Do you recall the number of the Senate bill? Mr. SNYDER. I do not. I think it was the same number as the Senate bill we are now referring to, S. 2481. Mr. VINSON. Senate 2481? Mr. SNYDER. Yes. Mr. VINSON. We have just had presented to us by the clerk of the committee a bill, S. 2481, that has a heading, "Amendment in the nature of a substitute." As I would understand that, that was the substitute that was proposed to be offered in lieu of the original S. 2481? Mr. SNYDER. Right you are. Mr. VINSON. That was introduced in the Senate on May 13, calendar day, June 4, 1935. Mr. SNYDER. Yes, sir. Mr. VINSON. Your bill, H. R. 8479, was introduced by you in the House on June 13. Mr. SNYDER. Yes, sir. Mr. VINSON. And if I understand you correctly, you have been working on the Guffey bill from the time that the original was introduced, and long before; and H. R. 8479 is the last word on the subject. Mr. SNYDER. The last refinement, because we consulted the Attorney General's department and other departments, to bring this bill down to its final print, to the point where we thought we would have the least controversy over the measure, and as far as the operators and the miners are concerned, they are both here through their representatives, or will be here later on. Mr. TREADWAY. There is just one other inquiry I should like to make, if the gentleman would yield Mr. VINSON. Yes. Mr. TREADWAY. Mr. Vinson has brought out the fact that your bill was introduced on June 13, 1935. The McNeely-Guffey amendment to S. 2481, as I understand it, is a revision or a refinement, as you have just said, of the original S. 2481. Now, how does the amended S. 2481 compare with H. R. 8479? Mr. SNYDER. There is not a great deal of difference, Mr. Treadway. I think if you will just wait until we hear one or two of the witnesses, they will bring out the details of the difference. Mr. TREADWAY. It is not so much the details that I am concerned about at this moment, as your original statement that there have been very extended hearings on some coal measure. Mr. HILL. If the gentleman will yield, the Senate hearings are dated February 19 to March 7, 1935, and were held on S. 1417. That bill was the one referred to as having been introduced in January of this year. Senate 2481 was introduced on May 13. That was before the |