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the true God, to whom alone all religious | They ought not to betray the church honour is due; so he that giveth any alms / wherein they live by a base and unworthy to an idle beggar, robbeth the truly poor, silence. Even the meanest child of us to whom properly all the fruits of our alms ought to speak when you are about to kill are due."-Special Remarques of the Life of our mother. Your long nails wherewith DR. SANDERSON, pp. 23-6.

you now scratch her face must be shewn the people, who see them not while they behold your hands lifted up to Heaven.

But besides these two, there is a third sort [Conformist and Non-Conformist.]

between both, who are dissatisfied only with “ Conformist. We do not think you all a few things; allow our ministers to be of a kind, though now you flock together. good men, and wish for peace, but yet for There are some (of your ministers for in- private respects hold fair correspondence stance) who I believe are of an humble with the furies now named; keep up the spirit, quiet and peaceable in the land, de- separation; hold conventicles; suffer the siring unity and accord, grieving for the people, without reproof, to be fierce and breach of it; and are so far from con- | violent against us, connive at a great many demning those that are satisfied to do what of their false and absurd opinions ; let them the law requires, that they are sorry they alone in their rude and insolent behaviour; cannot contribute to the common peace by take not sufficient care to instruct them in doing the same: upon which account they | the truth, to bring them to a modest and go as far as they can, and conform to peaceable temper ;-in short, to qualify public order in all things wherein they are them for compliance with us. Do not satisfied; and are tender of breaking any smile at the word, for I can demonstrate, laws: and when they cannot obey them, it might soon be brought about, if they do not rail upon them and their makers ; | pleased. but silently and without any noise, omit tol “ Non-Conformist. How, I pray ? Can do what they enjoin. These we cannot you do more than all the men in the kingbut love, and are sorry that in so great a | dom ? number we can find so few of this good! “C. Let them persuade their people temper. For there is a second sort, with but to be of their mind, and the business which the kingdom swarms, who are of an is done. haughty humour, of a furious and factious “N. C. Do you think they do not ? disposition, puft up with a conceit of their “ C. No, I warrant you. If they did, gifts to such a height, that they will scarce the people would conform, though they allow any man to know any thing of God, cannot. For that which keeps this sort of who is not of their party. Sour and crab- ministers from conforming is not any thing bed they are above all other men, cross and to which the people are bound, but somepeevish beyond all expression: they never thing particularly required of them. speak well of our governors or government; ' “ N. C. You have revealed a secret to they are always reviling bishops and com- me. mon prayer, and talking like men inspired; “C. It is easy for any body to find out it is an easy matter for them to disparage that hath a mind to it. There being noall our ministry, and beget an ill opinion of thing plainer than this, that they would them in the minds of their credulous fol- have read those prayers which I would lowers. Which we conceiving to be their have you hear, if something else had not business, no wonder if our men seek to been in the way, which you are not conpreserve themselves, not by disgracing, but cerned in; and that is, renouncing the by rightly representing them to the world. | covenant. Let them then but persuade

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you to do all that they can do themselves ; | Perhaps you will say that ours would do it, and in order to that, give you reasons why did not the power of the Lord overawe it should be done, and then I may hope to them and shut up their mouths, that they see you and I go to the same church may not reproach his faithful servants. together. And for them that do not stand But this is only a cast of your skill in upon the covenant, (for there are some searching the hearts of men, and gives us such) they have the greater reason to ex- a taste of the opinion you have of your hort you to come, nay, to come themselves dearness to God. and bring you along with them.”Friendly! Non-Conformist. I doubt not but that Debate, pp. 155-7.

they are very dear to God, and that God will reprove even kings for their sakes, saying, touch not mine anointed, and do my pro

phets no harm. [Bad People everywhere, and Good People

C. You have a strong faith. But meeverywhere.]

thinks, before you suffer it to grow to such “ Conformist. If you will have me speak a confidence, you should soberly consider my mind plainly, and not be angry, I think whether some of those precious ones may I may say without any rashness, that your not be anointed — that make godliness godly people are generally of the lowest a pretence for their disobedience to kings, form in Christ's school. A great deal of | and sauciness towards their betters; that their religion is of their own making, and flatter you into a conceit of your godlithey want a great deal of God's religion. ness, that you may flatter them with the They are ever wrangling about little cere- / title of the prophets of the Lord. To me monies. They break the peace of the it is no mean argument of their want of inchurch by this means, and seem to make tegrity, that they teach you no better, and no scruple about it. They are froward connive at all this wickedness: and never and peevish; greedy of riches, stubborn in (that I could hear of,) lay bare and rebuke their opinions; and by no means can bear | those sins that reign so much among your with any man differing from them in mat- | party. Tell me, whence came all the scurters of doctrine. In short, I see a strange rilous pamphlets that are abroad? Out of ignorance mixt with presumption and wil- what shop do the venemous libels fly about fulness, not without a high degree of su- the town? Who are they that not only perstition, in those whom you admire for despise our clergy, but put open affronts godliness. But then there is a sort of on them as they quietly and soberly walk people who enjoy that name among you, the street ? That have the poison of asps in whom I can see nothing but an humour under their lips and spit it in good men's of despising and railing at all ancient re faces ? That in a fearful manner scorn and ceived customs, how good soever; together revile their holy calling, and salute them with a sullen devotion, and such a turbu everywhere with the ordinary name of lent nature, as will give no rest to them- Baal's priests ? Are they not all bred up selves or others. And they have one pecu- in your churches? Do they not all freliar quality, proper to themselves alone, quent your meetings ? And do not bywhich is, to revile our ministers, even as standers of your persuasion laugh and rethey go along the streets; a thing which I joice when they see this contempt poured could never observe our ungodly people to | on them? Do they not seem to encourage be guilty of towards your ministers, who those by their applauses, who are so rude may pass peaceably enough ; nay, I think, and insolent in their behaviour toward good is not committed in any country in the men ? And yet these style themselves the world, where they are of different religions. | Godly, and take it ill will, if we do not

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think them so. These you are content to wrought in them of being wicked overmuch, wink at, that your congregations may be by schism and disobedience, and letting full. Your ministry dare not preach down loose their furious passions and unruly these abuses, lest they should be thought to tongues; by reviling God's ministers : nay be friends to Baal.

by despising governments, and speaking “N. C. There will be some bad people evil of dignities." — Friendly Debate, pp. every where.

116-19. “ C. I am glad to hear you say so. By and by, you will confess that there may be also good people everywhere, and that some

[When Things are indifferent, and when they of our ministers may be good, though your

are not so.] revilers make no difference, but if they see

“We are agreed that the thing coma man in a cassock, presently throw dirt in manded by authority is not the less indifhis face and call him a limb of antichrist, ferent in its own nature after it is comor some such thing. So brutish and out- manded, than it was before; but only our rageous are the passions of this heady use of it is not so indifferent and at liberty. people! so wonderfully do they profit in We must needs be therefore agreed also your school in those new virtues of hatred that this restraint comes not upon us from to ancient customs and habits though never the things themselves, because still perso innocent, and hatred or anger to all that | fectly indifferent, but only from the law are not of their way. For such is the fire which ties us up. Now we say, that to I have sometimes seen in their eyes when this law we are to be subject, not regardthey meet one of our ministers, that one ing our own liberty so much as the prince's would think they had a mind to burn them authority. You say, no; but as the law up; and I make no doubt they would call cannot alter the nature of the things, so it upon your prophets, if they were but like ought not to restrain your freedom in the Elijah, to call for fire down from Heaven use of them, but leave that as indifferent to consume us. You may condemn their as the things themselves : that is, that the folly perhaps ; but whatsoever you are king ought to make no such law about pleased to say, they are the most zealous | those matters : if he do, then it is unlawful of your party, and think themselves the to do what he commands to be always most godly. And for any thing I can hear, done; because he ought to leave you at they may think so still ; it not being the liberty to let it alone if you please; and manner of your preaching to meddle with you ought to maintain your liberty, and by such things as these; nor the time, I doubt, | no means to part with it. to be named, when you heard a sermon to “Put the case then, that you (being reprove the scurrilous and railing language master of a family) will have your children of some among you against the English and servants to come at a certain time and clergy. No, the way hath been, and I doubt place, &c., to worship God. It is indifstill continues, to declaim only against su- ferent indeed in itself, and all one to God, perstition and formality, and will-worship, whether it be at ten, eleven, or twelve and sometimes against morality; and then o'clock; or in what part of your house to exhort the people to prize ordinances, they meet; or in what cloathes they come; and seek after pure ordinances, and admit or what postures they use. But you apof no human mixtures. But whilst the point the hour of meeting shall be twelve; poor people are thus affrighted, and made and that they come into your parlour, or exceeding timorous lest they should be hall, or chapel, if you have that converighteous overmuch, by following vain tra- | niency: and beside, you require your serditions of men, they have little or no fears vants that they shall not come into your

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parlour (suppose) in those frocks wherein | observed. And when they that will not they just before rubbed your horses' heels, observe them, yet acknowledge them to be (which you think not handsome or decent) | indifferent things, truly I think nobody will but in their liveries, or some such neater think them harshly used, if they be turned apparel. And when they come there, you out of doors. If they be fools and blocks, bid them stand some part of the time, and that cannot understand common sense, then, the rest you bid them sit, if they please; I confess, they are to be pitied; and his and at prayers kneel, as you do yourself. good nature may work so far as to bear Let me ask you now, do you really think with their simplicity, if they be otherwise that this is any such restraint of their good servants : but yet those knaves that liberty, as they have just cause to complain abused their simplicity, and instilled these of it? Would you think you took too much filthy principles into them, deserve to be upon you in making these orders for your punished and put out of his service, till family, of which you are governor ? Or they acknowledge their fault, and learn would you judge that servant to be without more manners. Just like this is the prefault, and guiltless of any contempt, who sent case before us. The church is but a should say, that he will come at ten of the larger family, a wider society, in which the clock, but not at twelve, because it matters king is the father and supreme governor. not which, so that the thing is done; and If he make some laws for the more conhe will not be tied to any order, but to do venient, orderly and decent worship of God the thing? And suppose another should there, which in themselves are lawful, and come and say that he will pray, if you declared not to be in their own nature neplease to come into the stable; but he will | cessary, but only prudent constitutions, I not come into the parlour : for it is indif cannot see but that those who refuse to ferent where it is, and he must not be con- | obey them upon pretence of their liberty, fined to one place more than another. And and that God may as well be worshipped a third should come and tell you, that he is without those things, do shew themselves ready to join in prayer, but then it must as unmannerly, rude and refractory perbe in his frock, otherwise he will not; for sons, as the children or servants in that God may be served as well in that, as in | supposed family, of which I bade you conany other garment, and he must use his ceive yourself master. And I leave you to christian liberty, and not be bound to your apply this case to that, and to make the fashion. And the next should tell you that parallel complete in your thoughts at your he will sit in your presence, or else you leisure. I hope it will be worth your shall not have his company : his reason is, labour, if you do it seriously."-Friendly because it is all one to God whether he sit | Debate, pp. 78-81. or stand; and he is not to let you be master of his freedom in those matters. What would you say to these people ? Nay, what would you do with them? Would you [The Earth's Produce influenced by Man's excuse them, and acknowledge your own

Sins.] guilt in making such injunctions ? Or | “THERE is a sort of religionists among would you not rather treat them as a com- the Barbary Moors," says LANCELOT ADpany of saucy clowns and ill-bred fellows, dison, “who measure the products of the not fit to be kept in any orderly family ? earth by the sins of its inhabitants, and If you should not, all the world would who divine of the success of their tillage hold you as ridiculous as they. For every from the observation of their Ramadan, or master of a family is vested with sufficient Lent, and the due celebrating of their authority to see such commands as those | Easter, Hid Segnèr, or the little feast that

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concludes it.”—PINKERTON's Collection, vol. 15, p. 405.

[Pastors in this Age, why in constant

Motion.]

“Most of these men seem born under [Absolution of a Mule at Paul's Cross.] la travelling planet; seldom having their

“ The same man that laid sedition to my education in the place of their nativity; charge, was asked another time whether he ofttimes composed of Irish infancy, British were at the sermon at Paul's Cross ; he breeding, and French preferment; taking answered that he was there; and being a coule in one country, a crosier in another, asked what news there, “Marry,' quoth he, and a grave in a third ; neither bred where 'wonderful news; we were there clean born, nor beneficed where bred, nor buried absolved, my mule and all had full abso-where beneficed; but wandering in several lution.' Ye may see by this that he was kingdoms. Nor is this to be imputed to such a one as rode on a mule, and that he any humour of inconstancy, (the running was a gentleman. Indeed his mule was gait of the soul,) or any affected unsettledwiser than he, for I dare say, the mule ness in them; but proceeding from other never slandered the preacher. Oh an weighty considerations. First, to procure unhappy chance had this mule to carry their safety. For in time of persecution, such an ass on her back! I was there at the surest place to shift in, is constant that sermon myself; in the end of this shifting of places; not staying any where sermon he gave a general absolution, and so long, as to give men's malice a steady as far as I remember, these, or such other aim to level at them. Secondly, to gain like words he spake, but at the least I am experience in those things, which grew not sure this was his meaning. As many as all in the same soil. Lastly, that the do acknowledge yourselves to be sinners, gospel thereby might be further, and faster and confess the same, and stand not in de- propagated. When there be many guests fence of it, but heartily abhor it, and will and little meat, the same dish must go believe in the death of Christ, and will be | clean through the board ; and divine proconformable thereunto, Ego absolvo vos,' vidence ordered it, that in the scarcity of quoth he. Now saith this gentleman his! preachers, one eminent man travelling far, mule was absolved. The preacher absolved should successively feed many countries." none but such as were sorry and did re- -FULLER's Church History, cent. vi., book pent. Belike then she did repent her | 1, p. 42. stumbling,-his mule was wiser than he a great deal. I speak not of worldly wisdom, for therein he is too wise, yea, he is so

[Universality of the Church in spite of wise, that wise men marvel how he came

Antichrist.] truly by the tenth part of that he hath ; “If you demand then, where was God's but in wisdom which consisteth in rebus temple all this while ? the answer is at Dei, in rebus salutis, in godly matters and hand : there where antichrist sate. Where appertaining to our salvation, in this wis was Christ's people ? even under antidom he is as blind as a beetle, tanquam christ's priests: and yet this is no justifiequus et mulus, in quibus non est intellec- cation at all, either of antichrist or of his tus, like horses and mules that have no priests; but a manifestation of God's great understanding. If it were true that the power, who is able to uphold his church mule repented her of her stumbling, I even there, where Satan's throne is. Babythink she was better absolved than he.”— lon was an infectious place, and the inLATIMER'S Third Sermon before Edward fection thereof was mortall: and yet God

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