me which I repel with scorn and in- would be produced if the whole of the dignation.

Peers represented were able to attend EARL GRANVILLE: I have not made in person. Now, he was perfectly conthe slightest imputation against the noble tent to test this Bill by that simple prinDuke. In all these proceedings the ciple; and he asked, if the whole 112 noble Duke takes a very active part; but Peers of Ireland were able to vote in I should be very sorry to make any im- person in that House, whether they putation against him. I was merely would be likely to vote all in one way? speaking of the general impression which Out of the twenty-eight Irish Represenmight prevail out-of-doors.

tative Peers returned to that House by THE EARL OF LEITRIM said, that, as the existing mode of election, it was this discussion had arisen, every noble doubtful whether a single one supported Lord had a right to express his opinion Her Majesty's Government. If any of on the questions at issue. He avowed them did so, it was only one. He wanted that he should be very glad to get rid of to know whether that satisfied the noble the Bill altogether; but that was no and learned Lord's own test? Again, reason why he should vote for the noble if the whole of the Scotch Peerage were Duke's Amendment. According to the entitled to vote in that House, was it Act of Union the Irish Peers were bound probable that they would vote in all on their election to take the oath before cases in the proportion of 15 to 1 an Irish magistrate. There happened against Her Majesty's Government ? at the period of the first election of those He was himself no partizan of Her MaPeers to be great political excitement in jesty's Government; but he proposed Ireland, and instead of those Peers this measure simply because he believed taking the oath in Ireland, as the Act of it was a scandal in the eyes of the counUnion evidently intended, an Irish ma- try that a system professing to be a registrate was brought over to this coun- presentation of the Peerage of Scotland try, before whom they took the oath. and Ireland was in no sense of the word They had been asked whether they were a real representation. A measure had going to discuss the principle of the Bill. recently been proposed in the House of Hardly a discussion on Irish affairs ever Commons to effect—though in a less sawas held without its being said—“You tisfactory manner the same object as Irishmen never can agree; you are al- he sought to attain by this Bill, and a ways quarrelling. Take an example by considerable disposition to support it had the Scotch. See how unanimous they been manifested; but the right hon.

If these constant changes were to Gentleman at the head of the Governoccur in the system of government the ment, while he admitted that the existwhole basis of society in the country ing state of things was a real grievance, would be disarranged. He objected to said, and said most properly, that the the Bill, and hoped it would not pass. remedy for it ought to come from the

THE DUKE OF ARGYLL desired to ex- House of Lords. That right hon. Genplain that in the observations he had tleman did not intimate that if their made he had not meant anything per- Lordships failed to correct a great, acsonal to the noble Duke opposite the knowledged, and glaring evil

, the other Duke of Buccleuch).

House of Parliament would pass it by LORD DENMAN urged upon their permanently; but he did say, and most Lordships the superior advantages at- justly, that the opportunity of correcting tending a reference of the Bill to a Select the evil ought, in the first instance, to be Committee as compared with dealing left to their Lordships' House. It would with it in Committee of the Whole House. be most unwise and most injurious in

After a few words from Lord Col- every respect to their Lordships' House CHESTER,

if, after a change of this kind was EARL GREY craved the indulgence of deemed necessary, they should have to their Lordships for a very few moments. argue the question, not upon a Bill oriThe noble and learned Lord behind him ginating among their Lordships, but (Lord Cairns), as he understood him, said upon one sent up from the other House. that their great object should be so to If they got rid of this Bill by a side arrange the system of Representative wind, in the manner now suggested, it Peers as to produce, on a division in was very probable that they would be that House, nearly the same effect as called upon to decide upon the question

are."

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in another way—and was that, he would Keane, L.

Skene, L. (E. Fife.) ask, likely to add to the dignity of their Lurgan, L.

Somerhill, L. (M. Clan

Northbrook, L. Lordships' House ? He had heard, with

ricarde.) [Teller.] Overstone, L.

Suffield, L. more astonishment than he could de- Ponsonby, L. (E. Bess. Sundridge, L. (D. Arscribe, the noble Marquess (the Marquess borough.)

gyll.) of Salisbury) speak of the want of in

NOT-CONTENTS. formation on this subject, and express his opinion that on that account the matter Buckingham and Chan- Gloucester and Bristol,

dos, Ď.

Bp. should be referred to a Select Committee. Richmond, D. But when, not many weeks ago, he (Earl Rutland, D.

Arundell of Wardour, L. Grey) proposed that a Bill, the principle Wellington, D. Bolton, L. of which had been accepted by their Bath M. [Teller.]

Brancepeth, L. (V.

Boyne.) Lordships, should be referred to a Se- Exeter, M.

Cairns, L. lect Committee, in order that they might Salisbury, M.

Castlemaine, L. the better deal with its details—because,

Tweeddale, M.

Chelnisford, L.

Winchester, M. from general observation, both in that

Churston, L. and the other House of Parliament, he Abergavenny, E. Clements, L. (E. Leihad come to the conclusion that a Com

Annesley, E.

trim.) Bathurst, E.

Clinton, L. mittee of the Whole House was very Brownlow, E.

Cloncurry, L. ill-adapted for discussing details — the Cadogan, E.

Colchester, L. noble Marquess reproved him very Dartmouth, E. Colonsay, L. severely for wishing to shelve a question Doncaster

, E. (D. Buc- Delamere, L. Derby, E.

Colville Culross, L. of great public interest, instead of hav

cleuch and Queens- Denman, L. ing it considered in the House, and be- berry.) [Teller.]

De Saumarez, L. fore the public. That objection of the Eldon, E.

Dunboyne, L. noble Marquess did not, he thought, Ellesmere, E. Dunmore, L. (E, Dun

Erne, E. apply to the details of the Habitual

more.)

Feversbam, E.
Criminals Bill, but it did apply to a pro- Grabam, E. (D. Mont. Elphinstone, L.

Egerton, L. posal not actually to reject this Bill, but rose.)

Fitzwalter, L. to postpone it by means of a general Home, E.

Foxford, L. (E. Limefishing Committee upon the state of the Lauderdale, E.

rick.)

Leven and Melville, E. Gage, L. (V. Gage.) Peerage of Scotland and Ireland. As

Malmesbury, E. Hartismere, L. (L. Hen. protest against such a course, he must Mansfield, É.

niker.) ask to take the sense of the House upon Nelson, E.

Headley, L. the subject.

Portarlington, E. Heytesbury, L.
LORD CAIRNS explained that what Romney, E.

Kesteven, L.
Rosse, E.

Ormathwaite, L. he meant to convey, in the observations

Redesdale, L.

Stanhope, E. to which the nob Earl had taken ex- Tankerville, E. Saltersford, L. (E. Courception was, that if all the Irish Peers Vane, E.

town.) were in that House, there would be a

Saltoun, L. large majority voting on one side. Bangor, V.

Sheffield, L. (E. ShefGough, V.

field.) On Question, Whether the words pro- Hawarden, v.

Hardinge, V.

Silchester, L. (E. Longposed to be left out shall stand part of

ford.) Hood, V.

Sinclair, L. the Motion ?-Their Lordships divided : Lifford, v.

Walsingham, L.
-Contents 32; Not-Contents 77: Ma- Sidmouth, V.
jority 45.

Resolved in the Negative.
CONTENTS.
Hatherley, L. (L. Chan. Morley, E.

Motion, as amended, agreed to.
cellor.)
Russell, E.

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State for the Home Department, Whether HOUSE OF COMMONS,

his attention has been called to the re

marks of the Inspectors of Constabulary Tuesday, 27th April, 1869. for England and Wales, in their Reports

for 1868, on the subject of SuperannuaMINUTES.] – New Member SWORN Lord tion Funds for the Police; and whether

Hyde, for Brecknock Borough.
Select ČOMMITTEE-Game Laws (Scotland), ap- matter?

he is taking any and what action in the pointed ; Registration of Voters, Mr. Goldney discharged, Mr. Staveley IIill added.

MR. BRUCE, in reply, said, he was Public Bills-Ordered-Greenwich Hospital .

bound to admit that the present state of Second Reading-Beerhouses, &c. [22]. police superannuations was unsatisfacCommittee-Report-(£17,100,000) Consolidated tory. He hoped, though he must not be

Fund * ; Merchant Shipping (Colonial)* [91]: understood to promise, that he would be Colonial Prisoners Removal * [92].

able to introduce a measure on the subMALTA-NEW PORT AND DOCKS.

ject in the course of the present Session. QUESTION.

CATTLE PLAGUE-IMPORTATION OF MR. ONSLOW said, he would beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty,

DISEASED SHEEP-QUESTIONS. What is the present state of the works in Mr. CORRANCE said, he wished to the intended new Port and Docks at the ask the Vice President of the Council, Marsa in Malta, and when they will be Whether he has received any official incompleted so as to afford accommodation telligence of the arrival of a cargo of to Merchant Ships?

900 sheep by the “ Trident" from MR. CHILDERS: Sir, the Marsa, or Hamburg; and, whether they have been extension of the harbour proper, is com- condemned as infected by Small Por; if plete, though some disappointment has so, whether, under such circumstances been experienced from a large area of it and the recent arrival of a similar cargo having a rocky bottom. This we pro- from Antwerp, he does not intend to repose to remedy by laying down the re-enact the recent Order for the slaughter quisite moorings. The works at the of sheep coming from such ports? north-west basin have been suspended, MR. W. E. FORSTER, in reply, said, partly at the instance of the Local Go- it was true that last Saturday a cargo vernment, pending the decision as to its arrived from Hamburg of 905 sheep. depth. The proceedings of the Admiralty The Custom House authorities suspected have been also retarded owing to the dif- that four of these sheep were suffering ferent interpretation placed by the Ad- under the disease of the sheep-pox. miralty and the Local Council of Govern- They were detained, and they had all ment upon the agreement as to the value since been killed, and measures were to be assigned to the island property taken, as in the other cases, to disinfect transferred to the Admiralty. I have, the vessel and the wharf. But there was however, in concert with my noble Friend great doubt whether this was the sheepat the head of the Colonial Office, and pox or whether it was another disease siwith the assistance of my right hon. milar in its symptoms, but by no means Friend the Secretary of State for War, so fatal in its character. However, the proposed certain terms, which have now Custom House thought, and in his been sent out for the instruction of the opinion most rightly, that if they were Governor at Malta, and which I trust to err at all it was better to act on the will lead to a settlement satisfactory to side of caution, and all the sheep were the island community. No further delay killed as if they had the sheep-pos, need therefore be anticipated in the though, he believed, they had not. As merchant shipping availing itself of the an impression had gone abroad in the accommodation prepared for it in the country that the other two cargoes, some Marsa.

of which were diseased, were altogether

infected, he was anxious to remove that POLICE SUPERANNUATIONS.

impression. The facts of the case were these—The cargo that arrived in London

from Antwerp consisted of 1,800 sheep, SIR MICHAEL HICKS-BEACH said, of which five were diseased; and of these he would beg to ask the Secretary of 1,800 only 219 came from the person

QUESTION.

to whom the diseased sheep belonged. prevail at Hamburg, Antwerp, and There was no reason to suppose that the Schleswig-Holstein ? rest of the sheep were diseased, but all MR. W. E. FORSTER said, that he were killed. So with regard to the cargo had directed inquiries to be made on this that was landed at Harwich, only four subject. At Antwerp and in Belgium sheep were diseased out of 375, but the there was no sheep-pox. From Rotterdam whole were killed. As to the latter part he had heard that the sheep-pox had enof the Question, he had to say that his tirely disappeared from South Holland noble Friend Lord De Grey was giving and Zealand. From Hamburg he heard the subject his closest consideration; but, that there were no fresh cases in Meckas they were at present informed, the lenburgh and Holstein. Government did not think it was necessary to re-enact the Orders in Council for IRELAND-EDUCATION-SALARIES OF the slaughter of sheep, and if the House

TEACHERS.- QUESTION. would allow him he would state why

SIR FREDERICK W. HEYGATE this was not thought to be necessary said, he wished to ask the Chief Secretary Hitherto they had been able to contend, for Ireland, Whether he has any intenand to contend successfully, with all the tion of revising the scale of salaries of cases of diseased sheep that had been

schoolmasters and schoolmistresses under imported; but if the Orders in Council the National Board of Education in Irefor the slaughter of sheep were re-enacted land? ? the effect upon the consumption of the

MR. CHICHESTER FORTESCUE country would be

very considerable. The House would, perhaps, allow him intention of doing so; but the question

said, in reply, that he had no present to state that a large portion of the consumption of mutton in London was sup- considered in connection with the na

was an important one, and would be plied by foreign importation. In 1865; tional system, which would have to be 41} per cent of all the live sheep brought taken in hand as soon as the Government into London were imported from abroad. In 1866, the importation was more than Commissioners now engaged in inquiring

were in possession of the Report of the 50 per cent; in 1867, it was nearly 50 per into the whole matter. cent, while in 1868, when the Orders in Council for the slaughter of sheep were CANADA-DOCKYARD EMIGRANTS TO. in force, the importation was only 12 per cent, but up to the present time this year the importation had been 48,000, against MR. KINNAIRD said, he would beg 25,000 for the same period last year. to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty, The hon. Member (Mr. Corrance) would If he has received any official Communitherefore see that if these Orders in cation from the Government of the DoCouncil were renewed it would be a real minion of Canada respecting the proshardship to the consumers. He might pects, on arrival at Quebec, of the Artizans also state this other fact, that there was and Labourers who were last year disa great difference between the cattle charged from the Royal Dockyards and disease and the sheep-pox. The cattle Ordnance Factories, and who are now disease, when it had once broken out, proceeding to Quebec in the “Crocodile" could only be stopped with great diffi- and “Serapis ;” and, if so, whether he culty; whereas, since the sheep - pox would have any objection to lay the Commade its appearance in 1865, in every munication upon the Table of the House? case they had been able to stamp it out,

MR. MONSELL: In answer, Sir, to without allowing it to do any harm. my hon. Friend, I have to inform him Taking all these considerations together, that a Despatch such as he inquires they were not prepared to renew the about has been received from the GoverOrders in Council.

nor General of Canada. He states that MR. HENNIKER-MAJOR said, he the emigrants sent out by the Admiralty wished to ask the Vice President of the will have the same facilities afforded to Committee of Council, Whether, with them as other emigrants that arrive in reference to the recent importation of Canada. There is a tax imposed on sheep infected with the "Sheep Pox,"it is emigrants for emigrant hospitals; that true that this disease has lately largely tax will probably be dispensed with in prevailed, and does at present, largely their favour by the Government of the VOL. CXCV. (THIRD SERIES.]

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QUESTION.

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Dominion. Government emigration ment to proceed without delay to acquire agents will meet them at Quebec, and the proposed site, and to commence the will give them all the assistance and in- erection of the Law Courts upon it. I formation necessary for them. The shall be prepared, on the introduction of Government of Ontario gives free grunts that Bill, to give a full explanation to of land to emigrants, and the Inter- the House of the plan contemplated by colonial Railway will probably afford the Government, and to point out its employment to any that may wish for it. great advantages over all other plans There is no objection to presenting a hitherto suggested. At the same time I Copy of the Despatch if my hon. Friend shall be able to give such assurances to will move for it.

the House as will, I hope, convince then

that it may be carried out, including nn. NEW Courts OF JUSTICE.- QUESTION. merous and most convenient approaches,

for the sum mentioned by my right hon. MR. W. H. GREGORY said, he wished to ask the First Commissioner of Works, much less cost than any other scheme.

Friend-namely, £1,600,000, or Whether the Government have decided

Mr. Street is now preparing detailed finally on the site for the New Law Courts, suggested in his speech on Tuesday the plans, which I shall be able to submit 20th by the Chancellor of the Exche- 1 of the Bill. Before sitting down I may

to the House before the second reading quer; and, if so, whether the proposed state to the House, what I had not the site can be acquired without delay; and in what manner and how soon wiủ the opportunity of stating the other evening, subject be again brought before the from the Chief Baron of the Exchequer

that I have received a communication House of Commons ? Perhaps the right (Sir Fitzroy Kelly) stating that he and hon. Gentleman would be able to state all the Judges with whom he has comthe precise spot mentioned by the Chanmunicated, except one, are of opinion cellor of the Exchequer as a desirable that upon' every ground, as regards the site for the New Law Courts. MR. LAYARD: In answer, Sir, to

Bench, the Bar, the solicitors, the suitthe Question of my hon. Friend,'I beg to ors, and the public-I quote his own

words—the Thames Embankment should state that the Government have finally be preferred for the site of the Law decided to propose to the House a plan Courts. for the erection of the New Law Courts on the site mentioned by my right hon. if notices have been given to the parties.

MR. HUNT said, he wished to know Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer on Tuesday last. As much misapprehen- Gentleman will wait till I have an op

MR. LAYARD: If the right hon. sion appears to exist in the House and portunity of introducing the Bill he will

obtain every explanation. scheme suggested by my right hon. Friend, I may take this opportunity of stating that the site proposed to be ac- CRIMINAL LAW_THE CONVICT WILT. quired by the Government is that com

SHIRE.-EXPLANATION. prised between Somerset House and the

MR. BRUCE said, he desired to corTemple, bounded on the south by the rect an involuntary omission to answer Thames Embankment, and on the north one of the Questions put to him the other by Howard Street and and several small day by the hon. Baronet opposite (Sir aileys and passages connecting that street George Jenkinson) respecting the conwith the Temple and King's College. vict Wiltshire. The hon. Baronet had This site will furnish six acres of build- asked whether Wiltshire was the man of ing ground. Mr. Street, who is now that name who, since his conviction, atoccupied in adapting the plans which he tempted to murder a warder in Glouhas already prepared for the Carey cester Gaol. The best answer he could Street site to this new site, informs me give would be to read a letter from one that he will be able to erect all the Law of the Visiting Justices of Gloucester Courts, and every office necessarily de- Gaol, who was, of course, a competent pendent thereon, upon these six acres. authority. The justice wroteIt is my intention to introduce very

" It is my duty to communicate to you that at shortly--if possible, before Whitsuntide

2 a.m. yesterday morning Charles Wiltshire, whose -a Bill which, should the House think sentence to death I reported on the 8th of April, fit to pass it, would enable the Govern- committed a violent attack on the warder who