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Mrs. HAYMAN. No; it was not real dark.
Mrs. HAYMAN. Yes; there is a street light, but it is not real bright, though.
Senator McCARRAN. Did any of those who passed you as you stood on the platform wear masks that you saw? Mrs. HAYMAN. No, sir. Senator McCARRAN. Could you hear their conversation? Mrs. HAYMAN. No, sir. Senator McCARRAN. Did they seem to be conversing?
Mrs. HAYMAN. Some of them did; yes, sir; but they were not hilarious and yelling.
Senator MCCARRAN. Did you take it to be rather a calm, deliberate crowd, as you saw it!
Mrs. HAYMAN. I couldn't say about the crowd as a whole. I am saying what I saw in front of the store. The people were very calm there.
Senator McCARRAN. Could you determine, as you stood there on the platform, as to the various things that were going on as, for instance, when the battering ram was brought up to tear down the jail door?
Mrs. HAYMAN. No.
Senator McCARRAN. Did anyone relate to you “ They are now bringing the battering ram to tear down the jail door "?
Mrs. HAYMAN. No.
Senator McCARRAN. Then when the colored man was brought out from the jail was there a shout ?:
Mrs. HAYMAN. I really do not know.
Senator McCARRAN. Was there any expression such as “ They have got him” or “ They have him out" ?
Mrs. Hayman. I really couldn't say. We were at least two blocks from the jail, you see.
Senator MCCARRAN. You did know when it was over, though, did
Mrs. HAYMAN. Because the crowd started to disperse. I don't know-I suppose they were going home or going away from town.
Senator McCARRAN. When you met Mrs. Thompson it was in front of the hotel ?
Mrs. HAYMAN. Yes, sir.
Mrs. HAYMAN. Yes, sir.
Senator McCARRAN. Did she greet you first or did you greet her first?
Mrs. HAYMAN. I greeted her, I think, or I saw her about the same time she saw me.
Senator McCARRAN. Did she ask you what had happened?
Mrs. Hayman. Yes. She was very excited and very nervous, and the first thing she asked was what in the world had happened!
Senator McCARRAN. You told her?
Mrs. Hayman. I saw him as he got out of the car. I didn't speak to him.
Senator McCARRAN. As he got out of the car you saw him?
Mrs. HAYMAN. I saw him get out of the car and hurry on up the street.
Senator VAN NUYS. That is all. (Witness excused.)
TESTIMONY OF MRS. ALICE C. MORRIS
(The witness was duly sworn by Senator Van Nuys.) Senator Van Nuys. Will you state to the committee your name and residence!
Mrs. MORRIS. Mrs. Alice C. Morris, Princess Anne, Md. Senator Van Nuys. You are the Mrs. Morris mentioned by Mrs. Thompson?
Mrs. MORRIS. Yes.
Senator Van Nuys. Where did you see Mrs. Thompson first the night of the lynching?
Mrs. MORRIS. In front of the hotel. I had just left my movingpicture place. I run the moving picture in Princess Anne and I had started home, my son and I. I have a boy 12 years old.
Senator Van Nuys. Were you with Mrs. Hayman at that time!
Mrs. MORRIs. When I got in front of the hotel I met Mrs. Hayman and her husband and had just stopped to speak to them when Mr. and Mrs. Thompson drove up. Mr. Thompson got out of the car. I did like that indicating] to him and he just nodded at me and went on. I spoke to Mrs. Thompson. I waited for Mrs. Hayman to get through talking with Mrs. Thompson, thinking she was going baek my way, because I live near the jail. She talked with Mrs. Thompson, I guess, for 5 minutes, and she didn't come; so my son and I went on without her.
Senator Van Nuys. How old is your son!
Mrs. MORRIS. I judge it is probably not over 5 minutes' walk. The distance I cannot state.
Senator Van Nuys. At the time you left your home that night were there people around the jail at that time?
Mrs. Morris. Only the State police, because my husband had a time to get in the yard to his dinner, and I had to explain why I was going out of my yard and going down to the picture show.
Senator Van Nuys. The jail was surrounded by members of the State police?
Mrs. Morris. In other words, each entrance to the jail was guarded by road cops or State police. Senator Van Nuys. But there was no crowd on the streets?
Mrs. Morris. No; when I went down at 7 o'clock there were no more than usual on the streets.
Senator Van Nuys. Your show was open that night?
Senator Van Nuys. When did the crowd begin to congregate in Princess Anne?
Mrs. MORRIS. Within 30 minutes, I think, they must have all gotten there.
Senator VAN NUYS. That would make it about what time?
Senator Van Nuys. How far from your picture house was the crowd?
Mrs. MORRIS. Through the lobby and a wide street and pavement, because the majority of the people that was in the town, you understand, was around toward the jail.
Senator Van Nuys. Did they have to pass your place of business to go to the jail!
Mrs. MORRIS. If they were going down Main Street they did, and if they came in from different roads leading into Princess Anne they didn't have to go up by the picture house.
Senator Van Nuys. Did you recognize anyone that passed your place of business in the direction of the jail?
Mrs. MORRIS. I recognized any number of people on the street, because our citizens naturally I would recognize when they come to the moving picture.
Senator Van Nuys. Did you recognize some of them going in the direction of the jail ?
Mrs. MORRIS. If they went down toward the hotel or the filling station or 2 or 3 of the soda fountain places, they had to go in the direction of the jail to get there.
Senator Van Nuys. Those were town people, some of them?
Mrs. MORRIs. Yes; and naturally I recognized the people of our town who were on the street that night.
Senator Van Nuys. Was everybody in town out on the street!
Senator Van Nuys. Did you go any closer to this lynching before or after it occurred than you have described ?
Mrs. MORRIS. No; I did not, because when I understood they were coming down the street with the body I went in my theater and closed the door.
Senator Van Nuys. Did they bring the body past your place?
Mrs. MORRIS. I presume they did. I don't know positively. I closed my booth and went in the theater?
Senator Van Nuys. Was your boy with you?
Senator Van Nuys. Did those six or eight people stay in your picture show while this mob was bringing that body down past your place of business.
Mrs. MORRIS. Yes.
Mrs. MORRIS. No. We have talkies of course, and if there was any noise outside they couldn't hear it.
Senator Van Nuys. Could you not hear the noise of this mob?
Mrs. MORRIS. Not inside the theater, not while the picture was going on. I could have heard it had I been in my booth outside.
Senator Van Nuys. That is near the front of the theater!
Mrs. MORRIS. Yes. We have a long lobby. Our theater has two stores in front. It is not right on the street. You go through this lobby.
Senator Vax Vrys. Was there any shooting!
Mrs. Morris. Not anything more than you would expect in any large crowd.
Senator Tax Wres. Then there was some noise!
Mrs. MORRIS When a thousand people go down the street you would have some noise.
Senator Vas Nres Did you know at that time they were taking the prisoner out of the jail to lynch him!
Mrs MORRIS Yes, sir: I did.
Senator Lax Sir Everybody knew that around there, did they ner! It was common knowledge, was it not!
Mrs MORRIS At that time, because they had the man out.
Senator Tax Srs And the lynching occurred! Do you know where it accurni! Mrs Morris No: I do not
Senater Tax fris Was this man alive or desd when he was draged along the shit!
Mis Meeris I haren't the faintes ideas.
Senator Van Nuys. What is the general report; that he was alive or dead?
Mrs. MORRIS. I told you I didn't discuss that. I was not near the mob. I am not in favor of it, and I do not talk about it.
Senator Van Nuys. Have you heard or discussed in your place of business or other places anything about it?
Mrs. MORRIS. My place of business is not where they go to discuss that.
Senator Van Nuys. You know all the people in that town, practically; do you not? Mrs. MORRIS. Yes; I do.
Senator VAN NUYS. And the little town suffered somewhat of a black eye by reason of this lynching?
Mrs. Morris. They certainly have, and a lot of innocent people have to suffer, too.
Senator Van Nuys. Do the citizens deplore this incident?
Senator Van Nuys. Do the citizens generally want the perpetrators of this lynching apprehended and punished ?
Mrs. MORRIS. Do you think I should speak for the other folks?
Senator Van Nuys. Are they making any concerted effort to bring about that result ?
Mrs. MORRIS. Naturally they do. Robins and Mr. Lane both.
Senator Van Nuys. Imploring them to clean up this situation and prosecute the leaders? Is that the sentiment of the community!
Mrs. MORRIS. I think they tried.
Senator Van Nuys. You do not know anyone of your own knowledge that was a member of this mob?
Mrs. MORRIS. I certainly do not. I did not see it. I tried to get away from seeing it.
Senator Van Nuys. That is all. (Witness excused.)
FURTHER TESTIMONY OF MRS. LILLIAN THOMPSON
Senator McCARRAN. I would like to ask Mrs. Thompson a question.
Senator Van Nuys. Very well.
Senator MoCARRAN. Mrs. Thompson, what was the name of the show at Salisbury that you went to see?
Mrs. THOMPSON. I don't remember.
Senator McCARRAN. You do not remember the name of the picture?
Mrs. THOMPSON. No; I do not.
Senator McCARRAN. Did you want to go that night to Salisbury to see a particular picture?
Mrs. THOMPSON. Yes.