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Ryan, Pat, South Carolina Wildlife Resources Department_.
Schwall, Eugene E., North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission..
Thrasher, Reynolds W., assistant chief, Division of Game and Fish, Ala-
bama Department of Conservation.

Wallace, H. E., assistant director, Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish
Commission__.

Warvel, Harold, assistant director, Tennessee Game and Fish Commission.
Zurbuch, Peter E., chief, Division of Game and Fish, West Virginia De-
partment of Natural Resources__

ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS AND LETTERS

Adams, James L., executive secretary, Georgia Sportsman's Federation...
Aldrich, Donald, executive secretary, Montana Wildlife Federation _ .
Barnett, Mrs. Elizabeth B., Scottsdale, Ariz__

Battle, Turner W., executive director, North Carolina Wildlife Federation,
Inc__.

Brantner, David, West Virginia Wildlife Federation__
Carr, Aubrey J., president, Alabama Wildlife Federation

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Chafin, Gerald L., president, Izaak Walton League of America, West Vir-
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Clark, Minor, commissioner, Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife
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Cross, Billy Joe, executive director, Mississippi Game and Fish Commis

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Cruikshank, Mrs. Allan D., conservation chairman, Cocoa-Rockledge Gar-
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Earl, Edward D., conservation chairman, Indian River Audubon Society-
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Glasgow, Leslie L., director, State of Louisiana Wild Life and Fisheries
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Goble, J. T., president, Greater Atlanta chapter, Izaak Walton League of
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Grant, Joseph N., president, South Dade Audubon Society_

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Hackler, Hugh, director, State of Arkansas, Game and Fish Commission..
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Johnson, J. B., Merritt Island, Fla____

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Johnson, Johnny, chairman, Conservation Committee, Florida Sport Fish-
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Moore, George C., director, State of Kansas Forestry, Fish, and Game
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Morrison, H. C., vice chairman, Florida Bi-Partisan Civic Affairs Group,
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Nelson, Robert L., special assistant attorney general, State of Wyoming
Game and Fish Commission_

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Phelps, Chester F., executive director, Virginia Commission of Game and
Inland Fisheries_.

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Redford, James F., Jr., president, Mangrove chapter, Izaak Walton
League of America, Inc..

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Reetz, Augie, commissioner, State of Alaska Department of Fish and Game.
Sanford, Nelson J., president, Collier County Conservancy.

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Shields, George B., director, Maryland Department of Game and Inland
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Singleton, J. R., executive director, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department_
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AGEMENT OF FISH AND RESIDENT WILDLIFE ON

FEDERAL LANDS

MONDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1968

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE,
Washington, D.C.

e committee met at 9 a.m., in the State Capitol, Salt Lake City, Hon. Frank E. Moss presiding.

esent: Senator Moss.

OPENING STATEMENT BY THE CHAIRMAN

nator Moss. The hearing will come to order. This is a hearing e Commerce Committee, called at this time to take testimony on bills that are pending before the Committee on Commerce.

was announced that the subcommittee would hold hearings in
us parts of the country to enable those representatives of the
es who wish to testify to have their opportunity to get into the
d any material that should be considered by the committee in
dering these two bills.

e heard in Washington from members of the administration
Federal departments and from some of the Senators. We are
ng today to hear from a number of the fish and game directors
presentatives of the States in order to complete our record.
ere will be, as I say, other field hearings, but this one has been
ted to cover the western part of the United States and I am happy
te that we will have witnesses from a good many of our Western
es here today.

oth S. 2951 and S. 3212 relate to the management of the fish and
ent wildlife on Federal lands. Initial hearings were held in Wash-
on on June 18, 19, and 26 of 1968. And the printed record of those
ings is available here today for those who would desire to see a
or refer to it. To the extent we have enough of them, why, you
be able to have a copy and I think we probably have enough to go
nd.

s I stated in Washington where we held the hearings before, we molding these hearings without any preconceived determination. are attempting to build a complete and detailed record for conation by the full Commerce Committee.

hile the broad question of State-Federal jurisdiction to manage regulate resident fish and wildlife goes back to the earliest days ur Nation, the facet of the problem to which S. 2951 and S. 3212 ress themselves is of comparatively recent origin. This is the control management of resident fish and wildlife on Federal lands.

aff member assigned to this hearing: Harry C. Huse.

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The Forest Service has written agreements with our 50 States concerning the management and control of fish and wildlife on Forest Service land, and so far as I know, these agreements have precluded any conflict between Federal and State officials. However, the Department of the Interior has not been able to work out similar agreements with the States, and in a few instances conflict has arisen between the Interior Department and some States concerning the management and control of fish and wldlife on Federal lands.

The matter of such jurisdiction came sharply into focus in 1964, when the Department of the Interior issued an opinion that took the view that the Secretary of the Interior had authority to disregard State regulation as to season and bag limits and determine on his own the conditions for hunting and fishing of resident fish and wildlife on federally owned lands under jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior.

The opinion, as I understand it, did not apply to other Federal lands. Many States, as well as the International Association of Game, Fish, and Conservation Commissioners did not agree with this opinion. They contended that the States have the sole authority to set regulations for hunting and fishing of resident wildlife in any area, including Federal areas other than those where exclusive legislative jurisdiction has been ceded to, and accepted by, the United States, within their territorial boundaries of the State.

Following the 1964 opinion, there was a great deal of discussion between the Department and the international association and other groups in an effort to resolve this jurisdictional problem by means other than legislation. These discussions were not completely successful and the first fish and wildlife control bill was introduced in the first session of the 90th Congress by Senator Bible of Nevada. This was followed by introduction of similar bills in the House and in the Senate.

After these bills were introduced, to avoid the necessity for legislative action in this area. a policy statement was issued last June by Secretary of the Interior Stewart L. Udall, after consultation with the International Association; in essence, the policy statement covered the following points:

1. State laws and regulations with regard to public hunting, fishing, and possession of fish and resident wildlife will continue to apply in a manner that is compatible with, and not in conflict with, the primary objectives as declared by Congress for areas administrated by Interior and subject to public hunting and fishing.

2. Areas involved are those administered by the Secretary of the Interior through the National Park Service, the Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, the Bureau of Land Management, and the Bureau of Reclamation, while closed to hunting are the national parks, the national monuments, and historic areas of the national park system.

3. Closure of lands to public hunting and fishing or restriction of public access for such purposes would be made by the Secretary only after consultation with appropriate State fish and game department officials, and only for purposes of safety and orderly administration. It is reported that the policy statement was well received as a sincere

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