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Cardwell, E.

Carnegie, hon. Capt.

Christie, W. D.

Collett, J.

Coote, Sir C. H.

Cowper, hon. W. F.

Craig, W. G.

Crawford, W. S.

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James, Sir W. C.
Johnson, Gen.
Kelly, Sir F.

Estcourt, T. G. B.

Finch, G.

Forbes, W.
Fox, S. L.
Fuller, A. E.
Grimsditch, T.

Lambton, H.

Lascelles, hon. W. S.

Hamilton, J. H.

Layard, Capt.

Hamilton, G. A.

Leader, J. T.

Hamilton, Lord C.

Lincoln, Earl of
Loch, J.

Macaulay, rt. hon. T. B.
Macnamara, Major
M'Carthy, A.
M'Geachy, F. A.

Mahon, Visct.

Maitland, T.

Marsland, H.

Martin, J.

Milnes, R. M.
Mitchell, T. A.
Morpeth, Visct.
Neville, R.

O'Connell, D.

O'Conor Don

Ord, W.

Pakington, J. S.
Parker, J.
Pechell, Capt.
Peel, rt. hon. Sir R.
Peel, J.
Philips, G. R.
Plumridge, Capt.

Powell, C.

Pusey, P.
Rawdon, Col.
Roebuck, J. A.
Russell, Lord J.
Sheridan, R. B.

Smith, J. A.
Smith, rt. hon. R. V.
Somerset, Lord G.
Somerville, Sir W. M.
Strutt, E.

Sutton, hon. H. M.
Thesiger, Sir F.
Thornely, T.
Trelawny, J. S.
Wakley, T.
Walker, R.

Wall, C. B.
Williams, W.
Wodehouse, E.
Wood, C.
Wyse, T.

Young, J.

TELLERS.

Watson, W. H.
Manners, Lord J.

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Hildyard, T. B. T.
Hope, Sir J.
Houldsworth, T.

Hussey, T.

Jones, Capt.
Kemble, II.

Law, hon. C. E.
Lawson, A.
Lefroy, A.
Lindsay, hon. Capt.
Lockhart, W.
Lowther, hon. Col.
Lygon, hon. Gen.
Mackenzie, T.

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On the Question, that the 1st Clause of the second part stand part of the Bill,

COLONEL SIBTHORP was very suspicious of the conduct of the right hon. Baronet, which he thought it the duty of those hon. Members who were sincerely attached to the Constitution to watch with He had entera close and jealous eye. tained suspicions of the right hon. Baronet ever since 1829. He thought it very questionable whether or no the right hon. Baronet was a Protestant or a Roman Catholic. He should be disposed to think the right hon. Baronet was a Roman Catholic. He held a petition in his hand from the inhabitants of Lincoln city, against the Bill now under consideration; and the reason it was not more numerously signed was, because they felt disgusted at the line of conduct pursued by Sir R. Peel on the question of the Maynooth Grant; for when no less than 10,253 petitions, containing 1,288,742 signatures, were presented against that grant, the right hon. Baronet said, the greater was the number of petititions against the grant, the more resolved he was to interfere. He disclaimed any uncharitable or unkind feeling towards his Roman Catholic fellow subjects; but felt it his duty to oppose the Minister of a Protestant Queen, when he introduced measures which he considered would be subversive of the principles upon which the Church and Constitution of this country

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award hard labour and the costs of the prosecution in all cases.

SIR J. GRAHAM said, that the clause proposed by his hon. Friend was a very important one. He looked with very great jealousy to any extension of the powers to the Criminal Courts in the manner proposed by the clause. It required great consideration before they came to any decision on so important a change as the elause contemplated. He could not say he was quite prepared to oppose the clause until he had heard the reasons of his hon. Friend.

Trusts Bill.-From the Cuckfield and Chesterton Unions, for the Adoption of a Measure making the Landlords of Cottages where the Rents are under £6, liable to the Poor Rates. From the Burgh and Regality of Canongate, in favour of the Burghs (Scotland) Bill.-From the High Constables of the City and Liberty of Westminster, and the several Divisions of the Hundred of Ossulston, praying to be heard by Counsel against the High Constables Bill. -From Burnley and Habergham Eaves, for the Better Observance of, and to prevent the Sale of Intoxicating Liquors on, the Sabbath.-From the Mayor, Aldermen, and others, of Doncaster, for the Adoption of a Measure for the Employment and Reformation of Discharged Prisoners. From Guardians of the Banbury Union, complaining of the frequent Introduction of Small Pox into that Union, and praying for a more complete and compulsory System of Vaccination.

THE CORN LAWS.

LORD ASHBURTON said, that he did not in any way wish to anticipate the important discussion on this subject which would shortly come before their Lordships. They were all aware of what had passed elsewhere. That information they gained from the Votes of the other House. He was now only anxious that when the Corn Bill did come before their Lordships there should be no delay, as far as he was con

MR. LAW explained, that the clause was merely an extension of the powers contained in sec. 63, chap. 74, of the Act of Geo. IV. He knew of several instances of aggravated assault, which had been very inadequately punished, in consequence of the provisions contained in the 7th Geo. IV. not meeting the case. By the present law, in case of conspiracy and of assault, the parties who brought the criminal to justice were not allowed the expenses of the prosecution. That had been the sub-cerned, occasioned by the calling for any ject of animadversion day after day for years, and it had not yet been remedied. The object of his clause was, to give the Criminal Courts the power of awarding reasonable costs in all cases prosecuted or tried before them.

SIR J. GRAHAM should feel greatly obliged if his hon. Friend would withdraw his clause for the present, and propose it again on the bringing up of the Report. This would give him time to consider the matter, and as it was a very important subject, the clause should not at this moment be pressed.

Clause withdrawn.

The House resumed. Report to be brought up this day week.

House adjourned at ten minutes to Five o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS,
Thursday, May 7, 1846.

MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.-1a. Friendly Societies; Pol-
ling Places (Ireland).

2. Western Australia.
Reported. Burghs (Scotland).

3 and passed. Railway, &c. Deposits; Deodands Abo-
lition; Death by Accidents Compensation.
PETITIONS PRESENTED. By Lord Redesdale, from Clergy
and Dissenting Ministers of Wigan, for the Adoption of

Papers which he might consider requisite
for the consideration of this most impor-
tant subject. He did not wish to delay
the discussion of the question, and there-
fore he would now move for two or three
Papers which he thought their Lordships.
should have before them, before they pro-
ceeded to the discussion of the Govern-
ment measure. Their Lordships were pro-
bably aware, that that measure would have
the important consequence of letting out
of bond something like a million and a half
of quarters of wheat. Now, that quantity
was something like four or five times more
than ever had been in bond during the
last six or seven years.
If the measure
were passed at all, their Lordships ought
to pass it with their eyes open, and with a
full knowledge of all the consequences
which it was likely have on the whole of
the agricultural population of this country
-a subject which, in Parliament as well
as out of Parliament, was now treated
with too much levity and indifference.
He, with this view, therefore, should wish
to have a Return, made up to the latest
period, of the quantity of wheat and wheat-
flour, of oats, oatmeal, and barley, under
bond in the United Kingdom. To this
there could be no objection, and it was a
return which could be made with great

a Ten Hours' Measure, and for the Better Regulation of
Factories. By Lord Campbell, from Edinburgh and
Paisley, praying that a Bill may be passed for compensat-distinctness. Next, he should wish to have
ing Proprietors of Lands for the Purchase of Sites for
a return of the quantity of the same im-
Churches. By the Earl of Clarendon, and several other

noble Lords, from several places, against the Charitable ported since the commencement of the pre

sent year, and of the quantities entered for home consumption; and of the rate of duty paid thereon. He would also wish for a return of the amount payable for every 1007. of tithe assessed under the Tithe Commutation Act for each year since the passing of that Act down to 1845 inclusive.

LORD BROUGHAM agreed in the necessity of having the important documents moved for by his noble Friend before them. His opinion decidedly was that the letting of that one and a half million of quarters out of bond would produce a fall in the price of the commodity; but he should endeavour at the proper time to satisfy their Lordships that that depression would be only temporary. After the delay which the Corn Bill had already experienced, he trusted that it would now be expedited as much as possible. He hoped, also, that the Land Burdens Committee would endeavour to lay their important Report upon the Table of the House as early as possible.

EARL FITZWILLIAM recommended that the statement should extend back to the year 1828, when the last Corn Bill but one was passed. The information might be on the Table in another form; but it was desirable that the same Paper should contain the whole. The quantity of corn in bond at present was unusually great; but it was to be accounted for by the fact that the present Corn Bill had been virtually announced, and before the country for the last six months; and that being the case, of course no merchant in his senses would hurry to take his corn out of bond.

The DUKE of RICHMOND said, that there never was more corn upon the farmers' hands than at this moment. If the corn now in bond had been let in to consumption, he believed that the price of corn would have been much lower. The delay, however, in passing the Corn Bill had prevented that great reduction in price; and so far the farmer had been a gainer by it. They talked of that question as if it were settled. He (the Duke of Richmond) did not believe that it was settled, for he could not imagine that so many noble Lords on the Ministerial side of the House had changed their opinions; and he thought that there were still some fixed duty advocates on the opposition, who would not be induced by a party feeling to vote against their consciences.

EARL GREY was of opinion, and he

spoke from some practical knowledge of the subject, that the farmers had grievously suffered from the delay in passing the Corn Bill. Noble Lords seemed to think that the home growers were to be perfectly deluged with wheat when they removed the dam and let in the grain now in bond, which during the last six months should have been flowing in to the market in a regular current. He did not think that the farmer would suffer in consequence. The farmer had suffered considerably, and in some parts of the country the price of wheat had been lower, in consequence, as he believed, of foreign wheat not having been admitted. It was notorious that a great quantity of the last harvest's wheat was so bad from the wet and other causes, that it was utterly impossible to grind it without old and foreign wheat. He knew that in the north of England that was almost universally the case with the wheat; and he was convinced that in that part of the country, and he believed that throughout the kingdom, it would have been an immense advantage to the farmers if the ports had been opened in November or December last, so that they might have had foreign wheat to mix with their own inferior grain.

LORD BEAUMONT said, he should probably be able to lay the Report of the Land Burthens Committee upon the Table of the House early next week; and he should hope for great and important measures resulting from that Report.

Motion agreed to, Returns ordered.

VENTILATING THE HOUSES OF
PARLIAMENT.

The MARQUESS of CLANRICARDE was understood to inquire whether Mr. Gurney was to be permitted to give evidence and to submit estimates for ventilating the New Houses to the Committee now sitting.

VISCOUNT CANNING said, that some years ago a Committee of both Houses had recommended the adoption of Dr. Reid's system of ventilation, and they had voted sums of money to carry it into effect. Mr. Gurney had made an application to him (Viscount Canning) upon the subject; but he conceived that in a matter of this nature, on which a Committee of the House had expressed a decided opinion, it did not become him to depart from the usual course. If, however, their Lordships thought fit, and the Committee now sitting reported that an experiment should

award hard labour and the costs of the prosecution in all cases.

SIR J. GRAHAM said, that the clause proposed by his hon. Friend was a very important one. He looked with very great jealousy to any extension of the powers to the Criminal Courts in the manner proposed by the clause. It required great consideration before they came to any decision on so important a change as the elause contemplated. He could not say he was quite prepared to oppose the clause until he had heard the reasons of his hon. Friend.

Trusts Bill-From the Cuckfield and Chesterton Unions, for the Adoption of a Measure making the Landlords of Cottages where the Rents are under £6, liable to the Poor Rates. From the Burgh and Regality of Canongate, in favour of the Burghs (Scotland) Bill.-From the High Constables of the City and Liberty of Westminster, and the several Divisions of the Hundred of Ossulston, praying to be heard by Counsel against the High Constables Bill. -From Burnley and Habergham Eaves, for the Better Observance of, and to prevent the Sale of Intoxicating Liquors on, the Sabbath.-From the Mayor, Aldermen, and others, of Doncaster, for the Adoption of a Measure for the Employment and Reformation of Discharged Prisoners. From Guardians of the Banbury Union, complaining of the frequent Introduction of Small Pox into that Union, and praying for a more complete and compulsory System of Vaccination.

THE CORN LAWS.

LORD ASHBURTON said, that he did not in any way wish to anticipate the important discussion on this subject which would shortly come before their Lordships. They were all aware of what had passed elsewhere. That information they gained from the Votes of the other House. He was now only anxious that when the Corn Bill did come before their Lordships there should be no delay, as far as he was con

MR. LAW explained, that the clause was merely an extension of the powers contained in sec. 63, chap. 74, of the Act of Geo. IV. He knew of several instances of aggravated assault, which had been very inadequately punished, in consequence of the provisions contained in the 7th Geo. IV. not meeting the case. By the present law, in case of conspiracy and of assault, the parties who brought the criminal to justice were not allowed the expenses of the prosecution. That had been the sub-cerned, occasioned by the calling for any ject of animadversion day after day for years, and it had not yet been remedied. The object of his clause was, to give the Criminal Courts the power of awarding reasonable costs in all cases prosecuted or tried before them.

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Papers which he might consider requisite for the consideration of this most important subject. He did not wish to delay the discussion of the question, and therefore he would now move for two or three Papers which he thought their Lordships should have before them, before they proceeded to the discussion of the Government measure. Their Lordships were probably aware, that that measure would have the important consequence of letting out of bond something like a million and a half of quarters of wheat. Now, that quantity was something like four or five times more than ever had been in bond during the last six or seven years. If the measure were passed at all, their Lordships ought to pass it with their eyes open, and with a full knowledge of all the consequences which it was likely have on the whole of the agricultural population of this country -a subject which, in Parliament as well as out of Parliament, was now treated with too much levity and indifference.

MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.-1. Friendly Societies; Pol- He, with this view, therefore, should wish

ling Places (Ireland).

2. Western Australia.

to have a Return, made up to the latest period, of the quantity of wheat and wheatflour, of oats, oatmeal, and barley, under bond in the United Kingdom. To this there could be no objection, and it was a Factories.-By Lord Campbell, from Edinburgh and return which could be made with great Paisley, praying that a Bill may be passed for compensat-distinctness. Next, he should wish to have ing Proprietors of Lands for the Purchase of Sites for a return of the quantity of the same imChurches. By the Earl of Clarendon, and several other ported since the commencement of the pre

Reported. Burghs (Scotland).

3a and passed. Railway, &c. Deposits; Deodands Abolition; Death by Accidents Compensation. PETITIONS PRESENTED. By Lord Redesdale, from Clergy and Dissenting Ministers of Wigan, for the Adoption of

a Ten Hours' Measure, and for the Better Regulation of

noble Lords, from several places, against the Charitable

sent year, and of the quantities entered | spoke from some practical knowledge of the for home consumption; and of the rate of subject, that the farmers had grievously duty paid thereon. He would also wish suffered from the delay in passing the Corn for a return of the amount payable for Bill. Noble Lords seemed to think that every 1007. of tithe assessed under the the home growers were to be perfectly deTithe Commutation Act for each year luged with wheat when they removed the since the passing of that Act down to dam and let in the grain now in bond, 1845 inclusive. which during the last six months should have been flowing in to the market in a regular current. He did not think that the farmer would suffer in consequence. The farmer had suffered considerably, and in some parts of the country the price of wheat had been lower, in consequence, as he believed, of foreign wheat not having been admitted. It was notorious that a great quantity of the last harvest's wheat was so bad from the wet and other causes, that it was utterly impossible to grind it without old and foreign wheat. He knew that in the north of England that was almost universally the case with the wheat; and he was convinced that in that part of the country, and he believed that throughout the kingdom, it would have been an immense advantage to the farmers if the ports had been opened in November or December last, so that they might have had foreign wheat to mix with their own inferior grain.

LORD BROUGHAM agreed in the necessity of having the important documents moved for by his noble Friend before them. His opinion decidedly was that the letting of that one and a half million of quarters out of bond would produce a fall in the price of the commodity; but he should endeavour at the proper time to satisfy their Lordships that that depression would be only temporary. After the delay which the Corn Bill had already experienced, he trusted that it would now be expedited as much as possible. He hoped, also, that the Land Burdens Committee would endeavour to lay their important Report upon the Table of the House as early as possible.

EARL FITZWILLIAM recommended that the statement should extend back to the year 1828, when the last Corn Bill but one was passed. The information might be on the Table in another form; but it was desirable that the same Paper should contain the whole. The quantity of corn in bond at present was unusually great; but it was to be accounted for by the fact that the present Corn Bill had been virtually announced, and before the country for the last six months; and that being the case, of course no merchant in his senses would hurry to take his corn out of bond.

The DUKE of RICHMOND said, that there never was more corn upon the farmers' hands than at this moment. If the corn now in bond had been let in to consumption, he believed that the price of corn would have been much lower. The delay, however, in passing the Corn Bill had prevented that great reduction in price; and so far the farmer had been a gainer by it. They talked of that question as if it were settled. He (the Duke of Richmond) did not believe that it was settled, for he could not imagine that so many noble Lords on the Ministerial side of the House had changed their opinions; and he thought that there were still some fixed duty advocates on the opposition, who would not be induced by a party feeling to vote against their consciences.

EARL GREY was of opinion, and he

LORD BEAUMONT said, he should probably be able to lay the Report of the Land Burthens Committee upon the Table of the House early next week; and he should hope for great and important measures resulting from that Report.

Motion agreed to, Returns ordered.

VENTILATING THE HOUSES OF
PARLIAMENT.

The MARQUESS of CLANRICARDE was understood to inquire whether Mr. Gurney was to be permitted to give evidence and to submit estimates for ventilating the New Houses to the Committee now sitting.

VISCOUNT CANNING said, that some years ago a Committee of both Houses had recommended the adoption of Dr. Reid's system of ventilation, and they had voted sums of money to carry it into effect. Mr. Gurney had made an application to him. (Viscount Canning) upon the subject; but he conceived that in a matter of this nature, on which a Committee of the House had expressed a decided opinion, it did not become him to depart from the usual course. If, however, their Lordships thought fit, and the Committee now sitting reported that an experiment should

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