Senator FRAZIER. Where do you live, Mr. Hadley?

Mr. HADLEY. I live here at Tuba City.

Senator FRAZIER. Are you in the Government service?

Mr. HADLEY. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. Do you have a statement you want to make for the committee representing the Navajo Indians?

Mr. HADLEY. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. Make it as briefly as possible, as we have a lot of other witnesses to hear.

Mr. HADLEY. I want to tell the committee about the need of the hospital for my tribe, the Navajos. The Navajos feel, and I feel, we ought to have another hospital for this Western Navajo Reservation. We have one here at the agency for the school and we have one up at Kayenta sanitarium. We feel that there ought to be another one where all the Navajos that want to come to the hospital can be taken care of.

Senator FRAZIER. Where do you recommend it be located?

Mr. HADLEY. I would recommend a place 7 miles west of here called Kineclkie.

Mr. SCATTERGOOD. Do you think it desirable to have another hospital only 7 miles away from this one?

Mr. HADLEY. Why, this hospital here will only take care of school children, and camp people from the outside can go to the Kineclkie hospital that can be built over there.

Senator FRAZIER. Is there a good water supply at that place?

Mr. HADLEY. The place is a very ideal place for the hospital because that place there has plenty of water, and plenty of trees, fruits, and vegetables that can be planted there will grow for the needs of the patients.

Senator FRAZIER. Any other statement?

Mr. HADLEY. Besides this hospital, the day school can be established in the field there, and at Kayenta the sanitarium-I mean that will be the ideal place for the sanitarium instead of Kayenta, because I do not know how high Kayenta is, but this place has plenty of sunshine, and they tell us sunshine will help the patients?

Senator FRAZIER. You think there should be a day school here? Mr. HADLEY. There should be a day school there and a sanitarium, and the sanitarium at Kayenta changed into a general hospital. Senator FRAZIER. Any other statement?

Mr. HADLEY. And at Kayenta there ought to be a small boarding school.

DENCH YEZZIE BETAH was thereupon called as a witness, and, after being first duly sworn, testified, through Lee Bradley (who was sworn as interpreter), as follows:

Senator FRAZIER. You have a statement you want to make to the committee?

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Senator FRAZIER. Make the statement as brief as possible, because we have other witnesses here.

The INTERPRETER. He said you come a long way to hear the Indians, and he is glad you are here, and he wants to talk with you. He said he speak about the stock on the land also.

Senator FRAZIER. Tell us first where you live?

The INTERPRETER. Gray Mountain. He says they have got on the reservation 150,000 head of sheep and 20,000 head of goats and 2,000 head of cattle, and he says the shortage of water is the main problem. Senator ASHURST. Can you find out about when this program for water development will be concluded that you have described, assuming Congress makes the necessary appropriation?

Mr. NEUFFER. In five years. The program covers five years, if we had the necessary money, requiring about $300,000 a year.

Mr. SCATTERGOOD. Congress now only appropriates $100,000 a year. The INTERPRETER. He said that wherever there is seed there is not any water. He says wherever there is water they are short of feed, and they want to have more water developed wherever there is more seed, and give the other land a chance to produce more seed for their stock. He says what he wants is additional appropriation for developing more water and reservoirs on the reservation.

Senator FRAZIER. You tell him that is being worked out as fast as we can through the men who have charge of this water-development proposition.

Senator ASHURST. Tell him that we realize the great importance of a proper and adequate water supply for stock purposes, especially on this reservation and on the Hopi Reservation. We will move as fast as we can to get them such water supply.

The INTERPRETER. He says some of the water has been developed over around his country and there is some of that dried out and those that have been flowing good streams are just barely dripping for the same reason, they are drying out; they are not doing as well as they ought to.

Senator ASHURST. Tell him we have had a very severe drought all over the United States.

The INTERPRETER. He says he is talking for the Indians that he is living with up there that are in a hurry for the water project and they wanted to have the water developed as soon as possible to give them that relief.

Senator FRAZIER. I hope the engineer will get that.

Mr. NEUFFER. Yes.

Senator FRAZIER. How about the horses on your reservation? How many horses have you got?

The INTERPRETER. He says they used to have a lot of horses but now they only have a few, just enough to get by. They probably have one to herd sheep with and probably two to herd cattle with and he says they've got enough to get along on.

Senator FRAZIER. No wild horses?

The INTERPRETER. He says he does not know whether there is any left or not. They have been shooting them off right along. He said they included some of the gentle work horses in there.

Senator FRAZIER. If you can not get any money out of the surplus horses they should be gotten rid of in order to leave range for the cattle and sheep.

The INTERPRETER. He says that the only living they have is through the stock. They depend mostly on their sheep and cattle and he said as far as the meat market is concerned they do not get hardly anything for their meat also.

Senator FRAZIER. Well, everything is low in price right now.
Thank you.

(Witness excused.)

JULIUS BEGAY was thereupon called as a witness, and, after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Senator FRAZIER. Where do you live?

Mr. BEGAY. Tuba City.

Senator FRAZIER. Are you employed here?

Mr. BEGAY. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. Where is your home? Where do your folks live? Mr. BEGAY. North of Tuba City about 40 miles.

Senator FRAZIER. You have a statement now to make on behalf of the Navajo people?

Mr. BEGAY. Yes, sir.

Senator FRAZIER. Make it as briefly as possible.

Mr. BEGAY. I would like to say about the roads in the Western Navajo Reservation. I guess you people have come on the road between here and Hotevilla and do not need to be told much about the road, because you people have been hitting the car top pretty near all the way through there. It has been that way all over. We have bad roads pretty nearly every place, and since about five or six years ago there has not been work on the roads. Five or six years ago they start a little of it, now they improve a little of it, but it is not enough. We want to ask for a little more help to fix up the roads.

They have been talking about a school at Kayenta. They sure need a good road up there. The road up there is just as bad as from here to Hotevilla. Another thing, we build a good road through there we might have a better price for our Navajo blankets. Our Navajo blankets are so low and have so low prices on this reservation and the traders

Senator FRAZIER. Do you mean by having better roads more tourists would go through and make a better market for your blankets and your other products?

Mr. BEGAY. Yes, sir. It is like Cameron; they have a good road to Cameron and they get rid of more rugs there than any other of these traders around here. So I would like to ask you to help us in getting another caterpillar and road grader. We did have one caterpillar and road grader, but that is not enough.

Senator FRAZIER. What about that?

Mr. WALKER. That is right. The one we have is 5 years old. Senator FRAZIER. Have you recommended more road machinery? Mr. WALKER. Yes; we have repeatedly recommended more money for roads.

Mr. BEGAY. So whatever money is given to the Navajo the Navajo can use and work off a kind of reimbursable in connection with the roads. That is all.

Senator FRAZIER. Thank you.

(Witness excused.)

DENCH YEZZI BETAH was recalled as a witness and, being previously sworn, testified, through Lee Bradley (who was sworn as an interpreter), as follows:

Senator FRAZIER. You have another statement you want to make? The INTERPRETER. Yes.

Senator FRAZIER. State it briefly.

The INTERPRETER. It is something about Tapping Springs, the springs at Cameron, a spring that has been leased to a trader just to get a certain percentage of the water for the store. He uses stock water there at Cameron. There will be water there for the Indians and the stores, too. Then it was fixed that the overflow of that spring would overflow at the spring and not anywhere else. If it should overflow it should be into tanks. Lately it has been fixed that the overflow can not overflow at the spring because there is a cover made, a concrete box set in where the pipe was to run from the spring to the store. Heretofore it has been open.

Senator FRAZIER. What about that?

Mr. WALKER. I did not know that change had been made. They should have the overflow there for domestic purposes, although there is ample supply in addition to the other supply which is near by for livestock. They should have the overflow, however.

The INTERPRETER. We should have the overflow.

Senator ASHURST. Tell the witness that Mr. Walker says he is of opinion that the Indians should have the overflow and that Mr. Walker will look into it and see that they get the overflow, if possible. The INTERPRETER. That is all he wanted to say-just to have some one look into it.

(Witness excused.)

JACKSON TEE was thereupon called as a witness, and, after being first duly sworn, testified as follows:

Senator ASHURST. Mr. F. M. Gold, of Flagstaff, telephoned me last night that Mr. Jackson Tee wished to be heard on two matters, and I sent word to Mr. Walker last night and he sent word to Mr. Jackson Tee to be here.

Mr. JACKSON. Tee, your attorney, Mr. Gold, at Flagstaff, telephoned last night and said he wished the committee to investigate two matters in which you are interested. You describe the two matters. What are they?

Mr. TEE. Well, it was about two years ago Fred Thompson was out here taking a vacation or picture, you know.

Senator ASHURST. What about it?

Mr. TEE. The Lead Oil Co. man was living in town. He hired me to use my team to go up to the coal mine-up the road there. So I let him have three teams to help him, two of my teams, and one team belong to Frank Chief, and he promised to give $8 a team, you know. So we do not have that. They do not get through. About the time they go back I went over to get my pay at Flagstaff and at that time we get there there was a whole crowd at his place, at the Lead Oil place, and I wanted to get my pay and he wanted me to wait

Senator ASHURST. Did you get your pay?

Mr. TEE. No.

The INTERPRETER. Yes.

Senator ASHURST. Mr. Doyle, the man referred to, was born in Arizona. He is a reliable man, and I am sure he will pay you if you will ask him for the money.

Senator FRAZIER. Make your statement as brief as possible.

Mr. TEE. So he wanted me to wait till next day. I might not get nothing; so he is kind of short. Next day I came around to him again. He wanted me to wait for one week. Mine was $165 and Frank Chief was $54. So after a week I went over there again and asked for it and he told me another story; he wanted me to wait again for two weeks more. He says he will help me out and send it to Fred Thompson. I wanted to get the check for him.

Senator FRAZIER. What do you want the committee to do? What do you want us to do?

Mr. TEE. I want to get my money.

Senator FRAZIER. Why do you not tell Mr. Walker? You have not told Mr. Walker, the superintendent, about it for two years.

Mr. TEE. I was trying to get my money. The Lead Oil Co. wanted me to wait on him. He can get money for me.

Senator FRAZIER. Our committee can not go into the debt-collection business. We can not collect debts. Do you know anything about that, Mr. Walker?

Mr. WALKER. Jackson did not tell me about it for a long time, and not until after he had employed an attorney, Mr. Gold, in Flagstaff, to look after it for him. This Fred Thompson who came on the reservation died shortly after he took these pictures up here. The company was dissolved. Mr. Gold made every effort possible to make this collection for him, as I understand it, and failed. That is the whole story as I see it.

Senator FRAZIER. What connection did this man Doyle have?
Mr. WALKER. He was acting as agent for Fred Thompson.
Mr. SCATTERGOOD. And the estate of Thompson has no money to

pay it?

Mr. WALKER. As far as I know it is closed. Mr. Gold could get it if anybody could.

Senator FRAZIER. There is nothing that the committee can do on that. If your attorney can make the collection, why, that is all there is to it. We hope he can; but there is nothing the committee can do for you on that. Anything else?

Mr. TEE. No; I do not think so.

Senator FRAZIER. All right. Thank you. You talk to the superintendent and he will give you any help he can.

Mr. TEE. I told him about it, but he did not want me to help because the first thing I took it up to Frank Gold.

Mr. SCATTERGOOD. He does not object to that?

Mr. TEE. I will be glad if he will try it anyway.

Mr. WALKER. We have done all we can.

Senator FRAZIER. This picture man is dead. He has not got any money left. There is no money to pay it.

Senator ASHURST. What about this other matter?

Senator FRAZIER. Mr. Superintendent, what is the next matter? Is this a private squabble?

Mr. WALKER. It is a squabble between the Navajos and Hopis. We have a hide here for inspection. It is the case of a Hopi calf.