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Mr. A. J. LOOMIS (New York)—I wish, very briefly, to read the action of the New York State delegation, adopted possibly before this matter of the Knoxville Exposition had become known.

The New York delec:ition at this, the Fourth National ('onservation ('ongres, viskes to go on record in favor of asking the de cates to this great bod: to hold the next annual meeting in the East,--to be more explicit, in New York State. There is an urgent reason why the work of the Congress at a point nearer the great centers of the business and wealth of the country, and in the section of the more crowded population would have wider effectiveness, and greater force along lines of practical understanding of its work, and needleri legislation in favor of the great reforms for which it stands.

One point in New York State stands out in particular as the ideal plato for this Congress to gather, namely (hautauqua, the home of the great chautauqua Institution, on the shores of beautiful (hautauqua Lake. At this point, in a little city in the iroods, are ample accommodations both for meeting places, exhibits, and housing for a gathering of five thousand people. The Assembly houses more than double that number for ten weeks each summer and has an anslitorium hardly excelled in America, seating more than eight thousand people. as well as many other halls and buildings for meeting places and exhibits.

This institution stands for all that the highest aims of this Congress point to, in education, morality, and direction of human effort. Its reputation is world wide, and its 1:ome offers an ideal meeting place for the Conservationists, ideal in that for which the two institutions stand, and idcal in location, accommodations, railroad facilities and the economy with which a great meeting o! this kind could be conducted there.

The New York delegation unites in inviting the Congress to choose Chautauqua, New York, is the place of its next meeting.

Chairman WHITE- The chair, in behalf of the delegates, wishes to thank the representatives from New York who have invited us to Chautauqua, as well as the representatives from Tennessee for inviting us to Knoxville. This subject will be referred to the Executive Committee, who will, in their wisdom, consider it all as it may relate to the best success of our cause.

Is there anything more to be presented at this convention? the chair will state that the Fourth National Conservation Congress is now about to pass into history. Tomorrow will be the beginning of a new Congress—the Fifth Annual Congress, with the new President and new officers in some respects—but with a great many of the old ones, too --and we hope that all who are here will be present at the next Congress, the Fifth National Conservation Congress, wherever it may be held. And in the meantime the work will go on. It will begin tomorrow and continue throughout the year. Everywhere any delegate has influence, the cause will be heard and will be advanced.

The Chair wishes to thank this Congress and its delegates for the kind consideration given him while he has been presiding, and for the support he has received from every one. We now stand adjournell, subject to the call of the Executive Committee. (Applause.)

FORESTRY SECTION. Delegates specially interested in Forestry held section meetings in the Turkish Room of the Claypool Hotel throughout the sessions of the Fourth National Conservation Congress. The Standing Committee on Forestry consisted of Prof. Henry S. Graves, Chairman; J. B. White, Major E. G. Griggs, George K. Smith, William Irvine and E. T. Allen. Chairman Graves, being unavoidably absent, delegated Mr. Allen to arrange meeting facilities and represent him in an effort to further the progress of forestry at the Congress.

The first session of the Forestry Section was held on the evening of October 1, with about twenty-five foresters and lumbermen present. (At later sessions the attendance increased to forty.)

Mr. Allen, acting as Chairman, announced that Professor Graves had suggested that such preliminary meeting be called to determine, first, if a section meeting on Forestry should be conducted, and if so, the lines it should follow. Mr. Allen suggested the probable advantage of formulating plans for more systematic forestry work at future Congresses, and of utilizing the opportunity thus afforded to exchange experiences and ideas on legislation, forest protection and educational work. The meeting concurred in this suggestion and determined to hold a series of meetings on Forestry at this Congress.

Second Session10 a. m., October 2. Mr. E. T. Allen called the meeting to order, and Mr. D. Page Simons, of California, was chosen secretary. The chair then presented a tentative program for ensuing sessions covering publicity work, co-operation in forest protection, needed forest legislation, and organization for future Congresses. He described the educational work conducted by the Western Forestry and Conservation Association, and read a communication from Professor Graves, United States Forester, emphasizing the need of a propaganda for more adequate and uniform State forest legislation.

Mr. T. B. Wyman, of Michigan, representing the Northern Forest Protective Association, then described the co-operative effort by Michigan lumbermen covering a territory of seven and one-half million acres. He told how they had been enabled to maintain a patrol service and that their association had made a careful study of fire causes. In the campaign of public education, he said, they had utilized modern advertising methods.

Major E. G. Griggs, of Washington, President of the National Lumber Manufacturers' Association, pointed out the necessity of united effort in a campaign of education which would bring about a better understanding, on the part of the public, of all phases of forest industry. He emphasized the need of continuous effort throughout the year, and said that he believed there should be some national framework or organization which would unite the foresters and lumbermen for such continuous and concerted action. Major Griggs also praised the work of the United States Forest Service.

Mr. Charles Lathrop Pack, of New Jersey, concurred in Major Griggs' suggestion and said that he believed the Conservation Congress, meeting annually, illustrated the need of a Committee on Forestry, which would be active throughout the year. He said that he believed that other features of the Congress had been much better advertised and organized and that he hoped that before another year the work of the Forestry Committee, particularly, would be on a systematic basis with the necessary funds to carry forward its work.

Chairman Allen pointed out the need of local publicity as was illustrated by the difficulties experienced in obtaining adequate State legis. lation.

Mr. I. C. Williams, of Pennsylvania, Deputy State Forest Commissioner, said that taxation and not fire protection was the big forestry problem in Pennsylvania. He said that a campaign of publicity for a yield tax measure had been unsuccessful owing to a lack of organization among the friends of the measure to back up the publicity.

Dr. Henry S. Drinker, of Pennsylvania, President of Lehigh University, reported the distribution of a million circulars on forest protection, modeled on those issued by the Western Forestry and Conservation Association. He also endorsed the yield tax principle.

Mr. E. A. Sterling, of Pennsylvania, emphasized the importance of conducting a systematic campaign of publicity which would bring out definite facts. Competent committees, he said, should be in charge of such work so that the publicity would be in effective form and carry weight.

Hon. John M. Woods, Mayor of Somerville, Mass., suggested the danger of relying too much on education and not enough on practical politics. In his judgment, forest legislation could best be furthered by interesting the Governor and the Legislature.

Mr. Henry E. Hardtner, of Louisiana, told of the forest laws of that State and of his effort to secure reforstation.

Prof. F. W. Rane, State Forester of Massachusetts, said that results are a question of enterprising organization and that more system and effective committee work will bring better results.

Col. W. R. Brown, representing the New Hampshire Forestry Com

mission, said that he believed the American Forestry Association offered facilities for the work under discussion and that means for utilizing them could be devised.

Mr. F. A. Elliott, State Forester of Oregon, then outlined western problems which he showed were peculiarly difficult because of a lack of forest appreciation in a new country. He testified to the efficiency of advertising propaganda to reduce fire carelessness.

Mr. Hugh P. Baker, of New York, said that the Empire State went on the principle that people had to be shown and that, therefore, they were making a feature of demonstration forests and of assisting individual owners.

Mr. P. S. Ridsdale, of Washington, D. C., Secretary of the American Forestry Association, then told of the educational policy of that organization, and said that its magazine was devoting special attention to all practical matters of interest to lumbermen.

After some further discussion along the line of desirable committee action the Chair was instructed, by motion, duly seconded and carried, to appoint two committees, each of which he should be ex officio chairman, as follows: A committee of five on permanent organization, and one of three to represent the Forestry Section in a conference with the American Forestry Association and the officers of the Fifth National Conservation Congress. It was also agreed to appoint a Committee on Resolutions. These committees were appointed, as follows:

Co-operation with Other Agencies-E. T. Allen, chairman; H. S. Graves, and J. B. White.

Permanent Organization-E. T. Allen, Chairman; F. A. Elliott, Don Carlos Ellis, T. B. Wyman, and F. W. Rane.

Resolutions-Dr. IIenry S. Drinker, chairman; F. W. Besley, D. P. Simons, P. S. Ridsdale, and H. E. Hardtner.

Third Session-2:10 p.m., October 2. Co-operative Forest Protection was announced for the topic for discussion.

Mr. IIardtner told of the success of the Louisiana lumber associations in securing legislation.

Mr. Wyman told of the co-operative patrol of the Northern Forest Protective Association, in Michigan, and described briefly their methods and the fire fighting equipment.

Mr. Brown explained the methods of the New Hampshire Timberland Owners' Association. There are four district chiefs, each in charge of a patrol system. They utilize all modern devices, such as telephones, lookouts, tool depots, etc. They have reduced the fire damage one-half at a cost of seven-tenths of one per cent of the values protected. Mr. Brown urged that the adjoining States should co-operate along boundaries.

Mr. Elliott told of the progress being made in Oregon under their new law providing for syndicate co-operative patrol maintained jointly by the Federal and State governments, the counties and lumbermen.

Mr. N. P. Wheeler told of the fight against forest fires by Pennsylvania lumbermen.

Mr. D. P. Simons described the organization of the Washington Forest Fire Association, which maintains over a hundred patrolmen and protects nearly five million acres. This association also has been very successful in publicity and legislative work.

The report of the Committee on Resolutions was then presented, discussed by sections and adopted. (See resolutions of Fourth National Conservation Congress-Forests.)

Fourth Session9:25 p. m., October 3. Chairman Allen reported that the Committee on Resolutions of the ('onservation Congress, of which he was Secretary, had endorsed the resolutions presented by the Forestry Section.

Chairman Allen then read the following report from the Section Committee on Permanent Organization:

Your committee believes that the consensus of opinion of the lumbermen an! foresters assembled at the invitation of the forestry committee of the Fourth National Conservation Congress is about as follows:

1. That the Congress has not so far included satisfactory facilities for securing for forest matters the attention they deserve at such a meeting. 2. That the facilities to be desired should provide for two main activities:

(a) The general discussion of forest ('onservation needed to bring its importance properly before the public.

(b) The meeting for mutual help in practical constructive detailed work of the men actually engaged in organized forest work,

3. That unless there is eirly assurance of such facilities hereafter, the Congress' support from forest interests is in danger.

4. That private, state and federal forest interests are anxious to support the Congress and in turn to receive all benefit to be derived from it.

5. That what is clearly needed is a greater recognition of forestry upon its general program and :rrangement for sectional forest work outside the general meeting, both to be carefully planned in advance so as to be practical, effective and without lost time.

6. That probably similar steps should be taken to provide for other branches of Conservation work, so that all may uite in perpetuating the usefulness of the Congress.

7. That the duty of your committee is to bring about the things outlined above, or at least to sogrest some means of doing so.

After careful consideration of what these seven points involve, your committee feels that the very fact that inadequacy in the past has prevented as wide an attendance is desirable, prevents is from conferring at this time as fully with all agencies involved is would be sure to get the best result, and that in particular we are at a great disadvantage in being unable to conter with the executive oflicers of the 1913 Congress not yet chosen.

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